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This is how far the rabbit hole really goes.

Someone needs to kick-start this new forum a little, shame that not a lot of people find out about matrixism now that the media's little "check out these kids are trying to think for themselves LOL" parade is over.
I'm just going to talk a little about philosophies/ideas that you can read up on by yourself. I won't explain them all myself as I am quite honestly still studying/reading some of them myself. All of these are related to matrixism, as you read up about them you should find out for yourself what the connection is.
 
Science
 
Quantum Mind Problem
 
Quantum Physics/Mechanics tests can be interpretated in different ways, one of them being that our world isn't real. This is the best scientific suggestion you'll get in my opinion. These conclusions/interpretations of Quantum Physics/Mechanics has been dubbed as Quantum Mysticism from scientists to discredit it as science. However this is real science conducted by scientists themselves, they merely want to keep the conclusions to themselves until they understand quantum properly (which might take a while because it's some really bizarre confusing shit).
 
The measurement problem
The accepted (a.k.a. Copenhagen) Interpretation of QM says that the very act of sentient measurement (meaning a conciousness observing) determines the outcome of the measurement in the quantum realm. The wave function "collapses" following an act of measurement.
 
The condensced idea: The world may not exist unless there's somebody looking at it.
 
Unforunately the wider study of these exact presumptions (because they are not empericaly evident) have been dubbed as pseudoscience or misinterpretations, do not let this distract you from looking into this yourself. Science often works on a "best answer will do" principle when it comes to subjects as these. Read more here. Also Video 1.
 
Philosophical / Metaphyiscal
 
These are some you should look at, the realms of philosophy's gates are more than welcome to questioning reality, without the loss of logic, (so to some that may do, never dismiss philosophy as simple speculations, philosophy is a neat line between insane theories and the evident world) Whatever is outside the matrix (be it machines, higher entities, the architect of the universe or some unethical scienctists) must be keeping us from knowing the truth otherwise there wouldn't be a point to the illusion. Therefore perhaps scientifically we may never be able to fully prove it (if we do live in a matrix). However our minds must be real, there's simply no point to "create conciousness" nor do I believe it would be possible. Cogito Ergo Sum is one of the most accepted philosophical ideas, correct translation: "I'm thinking therefore I exist", a quote by Rene Descartes idea (Which was a direct inspiration for the films). So therefore tapping into our minds enough, by psychonauting or Philosophizing, may be the only way we can make it a credible idea.
 
Let's now move on to the ideas. There's loads to pick from, so let's start with who started this all of.


Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Circa 375BC.
"Imagine you have been imprisoned all your life in a dark cave. your hands and feet are shackled and your head restrained so that you can only look at the wall straight in front of you. Behind you is a blazing fire, and between you and the fire a walkway on which your captors carry statues and all sorts of objects. The shadows cast on the wall by these objects are the only things you and your feloow prisoners have ever seen, all you have ever thought and talked about." ~Plato
 
The Brain in a vat ~Rene Descartes 1641 and Updated by Hilary Putnam in 1981 (The original idea of a "Matrix")
I'm sure I do not need to expand on this one.
 
The Veil of Perception - John Locke 1960
How do we see, hear and smell the world? Most of uncritically suppose that physical objects around us ar emore or less as we perceive them to be, but there are problems with this commonsensical notion that have led many philosopher to question whether we in fact observe the outside world directly. In their viw we only have direct access to inner 'ideas', 'impressions' or (in modern terms) 'Sense Data'. The 17th century English philosopher John Locke used a celebrated image to elucidate this. Human understanding, he suggsted, is like 'a closet wholly shut rom light, with only some little openings left, to let in external visible resemblances, or ideas of things without'.
I'll give you an easier to understand metaphor, imagine if the world, the reality, is a very big circle, and your brain or mind is inside of this circle, however you're not open to perceive the full reality, your mind is a small square inside with 5 very small openings which are your senses.
To add to this, Remember that you, for example, were to look at something like this very laptop, you may be quick to assume that what you're seeing is what you're seeing, but the information you perceive is not from monitor to brain, it's an electronic impulse send from your eye, to your brain.
To the blue pills out there... Hilary Putnam said this "The computer is so clever that it can even seem to the victim that he is sitting and reading these very words about the amusing but quite absurd supposition that there is an evil scientists who removes people's brains from their bodies and places them in a vat of nutrients".
 
But to leave this on a positive and inspiring note.
 
"Now suppose you are released from your shackles and free to walk around the cave. Dazzled at first by the fire, you will gradually come to see the situation of the cave properly and to understand the origin of the shadows that you previously took to be real. And finally you are allowed out of the cave and into the sunlit world outside, where you see the fulness of reality illuminated by the brightest object in the skies, the sun."
-Phantom.

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Very good info

 Phantom, 

You've provided a lot of great information.  The idea that caused me to smile the most was the thinking that "The world may not exist unless there's somebody looking at it."  I recall my freshman year of high school reading a psychology text (the title of which I've long sense forgotten) that suggested the very same thing.  How can I know bed is in its proper place if I'm not in my bedroom?  How can I know if France exists if I'm not there?  Science often works on the concept of the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.  This concept suggests, that because my bed and France are physical things they cannot simply disappear, there are laws of physics (conservation of energy if I recall correctly) that support this thinking.  But how can I test that my bed and France are really there if no one is looking at it, if it isn't being observed?  So, I got a kick out of you bringing that up.

Again, great information all the way around.  I look forward to more of your insights and thinking.

 

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Thanks for the motivating

Thanks for the motivating words, Mr... Matrixism. Hehe.
 
I should've cleared that part up a little though. Very basically, the copenhagen means that particles can be measured, usually these quantum particles have many different states, they can be at two places at once, pop in and out of existence at will, it's very crazy, however the act of measuring it, causes them to remain in a single state. So it's like they wait for you to look to actually become a thing, or as though nothing exists until you look at it.
 
If you like that I think you'll also like the The Tripartite Theory of Knowledge. Very confusing stuff but there's a wiki if you feel adventerous enough to figure it out. Basically, when do we really know something?
 
I'll leave you with that, Good day Sir.